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Post by Tigers GM (Alex) on May 31, 2022 10:45:58 GMT -5
Should we keep weekly scoring minimums for the entire season? (40 PA / 10 IP)?
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Post by The LA Angels of Anaheim GM on May 31, 2022 12:18:12 GMT -5
My no vote is because we shouldn't alter this in season.
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Post by Mariners GM (David) on May 31, 2022 12:20:27 GMT -5
To clarify - this would be for the 2023 season, not this year.
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Post by Yankees GM (Justin) on May 31, 2022 13:39:05 GMT -5
Let's just keep mins the rest of the season so half the teams don't just stop playing everyone they own?
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Post by Pirates GM (Caleb) on May 31, 2022 14:06:52 GMT -5
PA/IP mins will never stop tanking just make it a sport
I'll make an edit to explain: I think we can do a lot better than PA/IP. The goal is to prevent tanking and make each matchup at least a little bit competitive, but PA/IP doesn't do that and I personally don't think it ever will. It just forces rebuilders to find the worst possible players to tank with playing time. Picking up a guy who pitches the 6th for the A's every 3rd day with a 6+ ERA doesn't make any matchup competitive, nor would signing Austin Hedges. All increasing PA/IP would do is make terrible players more expensive.
I proposed a 40-man salary minimum in chat yesterday, which would force a commitment to not just players, but players of value. If you force a team to dedicate $50m of their cap towards the 40-man, they're not going to flush it down the toilet like how we currently flush $300-500k each on a couple of those 6th inning every 3rd day A's type releivers. This would also prevent bad break punishments for GMs trying to comply and better the league without hurting their team.
Dave thought this would be hard to track, which I can't really see since the numbers on all the masters but I'm not an LM and everything is face value to me so I can't really speak on it. BUT I would just like to make the idea known and discuss it if others like it.
Also Trevor Story otb
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Post by Jays GM (Sanders) on May 31, 2022 14:10:06 GMT -5
45/15 for next season I feel is fair
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Post by White Sox GM (Michael) on May 31, 2022 17:58:12 GMT -5
Keep it for the rest of the season, after that idk, I am not sure we are incentivizing anything with PA/IP mins. I think we gotta revisit cap bonuses/taxes for good/bad seasons in the following year.
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Post by Mets GM (Jack) on Jun 1, 2022 7:21:44 GMT -5
I don't know why we change rules to help inactive owners like Jeff and Forbz. The minimums were a non issue for the last month and a half and the only teams to struggle with them are hardly on anyway. I have no doubt if Forbz was more active and trading himself, Rays would be in a better spot.
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Post by Brewers GM (Marty) on Jun 1, 2022 8:17:16 GMT -5
Reinstate the draft order. Let people know now before the trade deadline so they can work towards improving for 2023. Forget mins.
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Post by Orioles GM (Jeff) on Jun 1, 2022 10:37:26 GMT -5
Mets GM (Jack) appreciate the shout! I'm actually cool with whatever we decide for next year, don't think changing rules mid-season is fair in any respect, this situation or otherwise.
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Post by Orioles GM (Jeff) on Jun 1, 2022 10:37:59 GMT -5
ooops my bad, I'm supposed to be inactive ^ you guys should ignore the above
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Post by Yankees GM (Justin) on Jun 1, 2022 17:16:19 GMT -5
PA/IP mins will never stop tanking just make it a sport I'll make an edit to explain: I think we can do a lot better than PA/IP. The goal is to prevent tanking and make each matchup at least a little bit competitive, but PA/IP doesn't do that and I personally don't think it ever will. It just forces rebuilders to find the worst possible players to tank with playing time. Picking up a guy who pitches the 6th for the A's every 3rd day with a 6+ ERA doesn't make any matchup competitive, nor would signing Austin Hedges. All increasing PA/IP would do is make terrible players more expensive. I proposed a 40-man salary minimum in chat yesterday, which would force a commitment to not just players, but players of value. If you force a team to dedicate $50m of their cap towards the 40-man, they're not going to flush it down the toilet like how we currently flush $300-500k each on a couple of those 6th inning every 3rd day A's type releivers. This would also prevent bad break punishments for GMs trying to comply and better the league without hurting their team. Dave thought this would be hard to track, which I can't really see since the numbers on all the masters but I'm not an LM and everything is face value to me so I can't really speak on it. BUT I would just like to make the idea known and discuss it if others like it. Also Trevor Story otb This suggestion is actually... interesting. I support
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Post by Pirates GM (Caleb) on Jun 2, 2022 9:25:14 GMT -5
Was curious on a few things so collected data, I was expecting something similar to what my thought processes have been but was actually quite surprised how bunched togehter all 5 are in PA/IP(And for the most part around at least double mins minus Jeff's pitching). Biggest difference is 40-man cost & price per player, with the hardest tanks spending clearly less on both.
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Post by Nationals GM (Alex) on Jun 2, 2022 10:45:12 GMT -5
I love how the league perspective is that I'm "kind of" tanking with the MLB roster I have. lol.
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Post by Mariners GM (David) on Jun 2, 2022 11:00:01 GMT -5
Increasing minimums to 80 PA / 20 IP for 2023 with lower penalties might be the easiest solution. It forces teams to have players who will actually play and should help prevent the 0-14 matchups.
As discussed in chat with the $50M required 40 man payroll idea - teams could get around it by only having 2-4 players who make up the $50M and don't accumulate any real weekly stats, to ensure they get a top draft pick.
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Post by Nationals GM (Alex) on Jun 2, 2022 13:47:20 GMT -5
My idea:
- Limit the amount of salary a team can receive via trades or send out. It's ridiculous that some teams are covering nearly $100m of salary for other rosters. if people have to actually pay their players, there'll be more players to go around.
- No draft lottery. This does nothing but screw the teams that really need to pick high occasionally and reward teams that are already on the upswing occasionally. Like you think teams are actually going to try a little harder to win cause there's a draft lottery? No way.
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Post by Royals GM (Adam) on Jun 2, 2022 20:12:15 GMT -5
I have similar thoughts about draft lotteries/giving the number one pick to the first team out of the playoffs. It keeps bad teams bad without many avenues to improve.
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Post by Diamondbacks GM (Jason) on Jun 6, 2022 23:03:09 GMT -5
A few things.
1) I don’t like mins, they do nothing and apparently are actually detrimental. If we enforce mins but allow jack to have his best players as free agents that makes no sense. If you have players, you need to start them. That should be enforced. This should be penalized.
2) we have no control over our real life players, but rebuilding/tanking works. If you’re doing it for 5+ years you’re prolly doing it wrong. Do we really need to worry about a few teams tanking to get pick one? Again should be setting close to optimal lineup.
3) again if you’re doing this well you progress and it almost polices itself. If not we can always randomize a set amount of picks.
4) possible repeat but making sure people start their starters is more important than mins
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Post by Mets GM (Jack) on Jun 7, 2022 10:39:40 GMT -5
^ Agree with everything You're saying. Will is literally doing the same thing. Benching all of his better players. Not rostering Trevor Story. Sitting Jeffrey Springs.
At Least I went full tilt with my full roster playing for the first 7 weeks. Don't Know why I was singled out
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Post by Nationals GM (Alex) on Jun 7, 2022 15:23:49 GMT -5
Just have a rule that says teams have to play their best players. If they don't warn them, if they continue to purposefully... lose of draft picks or a penalty drop in draft order.
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