Rays compensation from reds

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Rays would like to receive a payment of 5M as well as a 3rd Round Pick for Dave Sappelt PP.

While Sappelt may not be a high grade spect most know about he is still a solid Top 20 team guy at the AAA level who more then likely for the cubs will produce in a very short amount of time that 5M and 3rd pick may never get me to another AAA talent as 3rd rounders have a good chance of washing out.

[White Sox GM (Michael)]

Too high on the $. I'd say $1M and the 3rd would be more fair.

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1M is nothing for cash and a 3rd rounder gets me a spect who may or may not make it to the MLB nevermind AAA so unfortunately i would have to disagree with that way of thinking 1M gets me a 4th round pick most days so no that would not be close to fair

[Tigers GM (Alex)]

I agree with Mike. Sappelt is nothing special. He repeated AAA for the 3rd time this year, has no power, and little speed. I'd say best case scenario for him is turning into a decent 4th OFer.

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even if I was to agree with alex that hes nothing special hes still MLB ready talent while that 3rd round pick will nab me a spect who may or may not sign and is at the least 3-4 years away from MLB and thats a quick track if you count in bumps in the road and the chance of him staying in college or going to college for 2-3 years thats a long time to be the only thing i receive.. the chance of him never making it stuff to that accord so as such i feel that the 3rd rounder gets me a spect to take a chance on and the 5M gives me the oppurtunity to try to regain something close to what i had in sappelt. I dont feel i should gain anything from this error but im not gonna continue to lose out due to the fact someone else made a mistake not to mention the fact that cash in this league does very little for me id have to add my own money in with that 5M id probaly just barely be able to acquire sappelt with that money if someone would even want it as money for spects is not easy to do... im not trying to be a hardass but im not gonna settle for just anything

[Royals GM (BigRussi)]

Since when is half of Jarrod Dyson worth 5M??? You still get torreyes and the 10M was for the 1st rd I dont get where the 5M comes from maybe 2.5 Topps and then add a pick? Isnt a 3rd rdr worth around 2-3M? Seems a little greedy Jimmy.

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i agree with you russ it may seem greedy but you have to understand my point here even if i get someone from that pick theres no gurantee he even becomes sappelt or plays baseball at all and then the money is pretty much useless unless i add more of my own you have to understand i have a MLB OF in dyson i had a near ready MLB guy in sappelt despite what alex might see he went from HiA to AAA in 1 season in 2010 stood in AAA for 2011 so this is really his full 2nd season of AAA which is nothing out of ordinary for a average solid spect nothing great but hes not a nobody either i could maybe settle for 4M and the 3rd rounder but then break that down for me 4M is gonna either get me a pick or i add more to get a talent so if i was to get 4M and the 3rd round were now talking about 2 chances that may never work out and say i keep the money towards my salary that helps me for 1 season where sappelt couldve helped for 10-12 years lol maybe more maybe less but you get my point i dont see how 5M even is unfair for 1 season when i was suppose to be gaining a guranteed MLB guy who even if hes just a 4th OF is worth more to my needs right now then 4-5M and a 3rd round pick

Just because hes not a top 100 spect or a name everyone gets excited about doesnt mean i should just lose him for peanuts

not to mention russ im not asking for half of jarrod dyson im asking for a replacement to sappelt you cant evaluate a trade and say ohh he was worth this and worth that its the owners involved faults for the values displayed in a trade once the trade was complete and he was apart of my roster is the value im after which for the record is a solid OF whos gonna be a contributor on a MLB team and provide me some stability in this time of building

[Tigers GM (Alex)]

Please counter with what you are willing to give Russi. If it is not acceptable to you Jimmy you can either counter back or allow an LM to decide the appropriate compensation.

[Royals GM (BigRussi)]

Ill tell you where I come to that conclusion.

10M for the Pick right?

Then I asked you what itd take to include Dyson, you picked those two specs so instead of

Sappelt
Torreyes

You now are wanting

Torreyes
5M
Another Draft Pick

I would never agree to that, thats a huge difference especially when Im doing the deal originally to clear cap space anyways.

The MOST that I would agree to as a payment is

2.5M + Draft pick

Otherwise you guys can figure it out, Im being more than reasonable.

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well im sorry to be difficult but im not agreeing to 2.5M thats litterally dogshit in this league lol and a 3rd round draft pick gets me a guy in 6 years from now theres no way i would ever agree to that...

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and even still if you want to make it seem like this is just a attachment to that trade


10M for the first rounder fine

Dyson for Torreyes 5M and a 3rd round draft pick may be pushing it but still within reason

Torreyes is a HiA spect who still has 4 years probaly till major leagues and once again it falls back to that 5M and pick being able to get me something close to sappelt cuz i can tell you right now im not gonna be able to buy another spect at AAA regardless of his ability for
2.5M its just not gonna happen so if i have to lose sappelt and theres no way to give me a exact replica of him i have to make the other things work for me enough to be able to replace him

5M holds very little value to people in this league lol and once again how would 2.5M mind you for a single season be equal to me having a solid OFer who may not be the starter but he fills my needs for 10 years maybe even more lol so no theres no way im gonna take that small of amount of cash 2.5M would be equal to me having a shit covered lollipop completely useless

[Royals GM (BigRussi)]

Ive posted what I think is a super favorable compensation for you in here already. As far as Im concerned I am done posting on this issue, ill let the Lm's decide from here

[White Sox GM (Michael)]

Tigers and I have decided to reward the Rays the 3rd rounder and $1m on a player of James' choice for 2013.

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i do not accept that offer mike you and tigers have not found a deal that works for me so seeing as reds himself in a previous post said the deal was

10M for the first rounder

Dyson for the 2 spects

He can have back the spect thats his and ill drop sappelt thats as fair as it gets and thats as far as im willing to take it 1M is absolutely drop dead useless thats not even worth a 4th round pick usually so im not gonna take something that helps 5+ years down the road when i traded a guy helping now for a spect to help soon and another down the road since he doesnt actually have that spect then he can take back the spect he does own we both lose sappelt and i receive back the player i exchanged for the 2 spects it doesnt get any fairer then that

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As a final piece before i leave this alone....

Me and Russ both have stated that the deal for the pick was 10M and the dyson deal was arranged upon that ones agreement and was included to be easier now that he does not have what it takes to get dyson and we cannot agree on a alternative..i do not feel the LMs offer was suffiecent enough for me to want to keep just that and the spect for dyson so lets just put the dyson deal off and act as if there really was just the original deal for the pick..

That way russ gets to shed the cap he wanted he doesnt have to give up anything extra..I have no issue with the 10M just for the pick i agreed to it and so did he before we ever discussed dyson so lets just make this minor situation go away as easy as possible by returning dyson and the spect to their respective previous owners and obviously dbacks gets to keep sappelt...This way noone feels like their being put at fault for something they didnt do noone loses more then they want to give and noone walks away unhappy everyone gets exactly what they wanted before the mistake occured for dyson..Im sorry if anyone feels i overstepped by asking for too much for sappelt..so lets just keep this simple and do the orignal deal so everyones happy

[Tigers GM (Alex)]

If Reds agrees to your proposal then that's fine and you two can do that. If not though you can either take the compensation we decided on or take nothing.

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i dont understand why id be the one to lose out for a mistake that happened on someone elses behalf i didnt trade the guy i had nothing to do with the error i dont know why you would say take the compensation or receive nothing so why would reds accept my proposal knowing i obviously dont want the other one i think thats a little bit unreasonable but fine if thats how it has to be then hopefully russ decides to come to his senses and take a very fair proposal otherwise im gonna be screwed out of something that shouldnt be my fault at all

[Tigers GM (Alex)]

Well I'm sorry you feel that way Jimmy but that's the way it's going to be. Both Mike and I feel that you're way overvaluing Sappelt, who's been just an average player in AAA, struggled in his first chance at the majors last year, and has regressed pretty significantly this year. Over his nearly 950 AAA plate appearances, he has just 96 runs. 12 homers, 78 RBIs, and 22 steals, with a .286 BA, and a .746 OPS. If those numbers came in just a seasons worth of AB's it'd be a different story, but it took him nearly 2 full seasons to get to them. Personally I wouldn't even pay $1M for him. If I were you I'd much rather have the $1M and draft pick instead of him.

[Royals GM (BigRussi)]

Well, Im just gonna be adult about it and send back Dyson, I do think that Jimmy is being completely rediculous on the value of Sappelt but Im done hearing all the bitching over it. Dyson isnt worth 5M to me let alone 5M a pick and a decent spec so its w/e you can have him dude.