FA Rules Discussion

[Tigers GM (Alex)]

First off, Mike and I want all of your opinions on the hometown discount rule. We're both fine with leaving it as is, but if you all feel differently now's your chance to let us know. Also, if you have any other questions/concerns about the FA rules please ask them now.

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Guys, I'm not positive this clarifys as exactly a FA rule but a idea I've been kicking around for awhile is this the capability for say Mariners (Who now owns Chase Headley a (6) guy who unless extended will be a FA at the end of the season) I was thinking quite possibly we could give the option to extend said player at the owners discretion for a maxium of 3 seasons at a set sort of rate the same concept we do with the 4-6 Guys but more approiately rationed for veterans and not developing players in the infancy of their career still.

I also think there's a limit like 2 per season or whatever so that way we don't completely diminish the upcoming FA class or if you have a guy or 2 signed under those terms or 3 whatever we agree that that's the limit. And you would have to wait for those guys to finish to sign others the other thing i'm still trying to determine is whether or not you can re-sign the same guy more then once.

[Tigers GM (Alex)]

Mike and I are considering implementing a franchise tag for this sort of thing following the 2013 season. Still in preliminary discussions though so don't count on anything.

The tag would likely be for a high amount though so people don't just throw them around. What we do not want to do is seriously water down the FA pool.

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thats not a bad idea i'm not sure about a exact franchise tag with average salaries but i get what you mean and i do like the idea

That right there is a perfect example of why I like this league it has the creativeness and openmindness to be innovative and attempt to create a more effiecent and hopefully interesting and fun way to do things.

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I voted to modify the existing rule. We should give teams a chance to retain the players they own or develop. The franchise tag is not a bad idea, if there was an agreed upon price. I think that price should be position specific; whether an average of top salaries at position or another preset price.

[White Sox GM (Michael)]

Just so everyone's clear, we will probably be doing a franchise tag of sorts. That is still in development.

[Astros GM (Max)]

How about an RFA tag instead? So the player is still a FA but the owner can retain him. It's better than a Franchise Tag because the players are still available and can be retained. Just a thought

Max

[White Sox GM (Michael)]

Max, it's a possibility. Just know that some form of a player-retainment system will be put into effect for next offseason.

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I think I'd rather have a franchise tag, but ethier one works.

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For franchise tag, we could use ESPN player rater for their 2012 season and have a scale based on that? The only problem would be that they would keep the player through the next contract por just lose them a year later, unless franchise was usable more than once? Anyway, a potential scale could be like this:

1-10: $25 mil
11-25: $20 mil
26-50: $17 mil
51-100: $12 mil

and so on...

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I suggested that to Michael, George. I like that idea but obviously it's up to rhe LMs.

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My proposal for an extension may be too radical: I think that any player in 4-6 years should be able to be offered a contract by the team owner, which is voted on my a committee. It is much like MLB where players in arbitration commonly sign extensions. Obviously there would be a committee and some sort of rules so Stanton (players like him) cant be extended for like 9M...For instance I could, in theory, offer David Price a 4 year extension at 23M a year. something like that. Just an idea I've seen in other leagues work really well. Normally there is a limit on how many you can extend each year, but with a 100M salary cap, you wouldnt be able to extend more than 2 high caliber players without killing yourself cap wise.

[White Sox GM (Michael)]

Yeah, basically, we'd use some rater (player rater, keeper rankings, whatever) and go off a scale. FTs would be an annual thing but you could offer more than a one-yr contract.

Again, nothing has been discussed in too much depth yet.

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I really think a franchise tag waters down FA especially if we are talking about using it annually. FA is key along with the Draft for helping bad teams improve and in watering down FA classes puts teams that already started off with a disadvantage makes it even harder for them to turn the corner by having to wait on draft picks to pan on that may or may not happen. Could be looking at constant owner turnover with poorly run teams.

[Diamondbacks GM (Jason)]

In my one league that uses tags there a few things that happen

1) teams that finish at the bottom get more tags
2) franchise tags, which i think in here 1 is good, you just take over the new contract whatever that may be.
3) RFA tags - the player goes into FA, but the league knows that if you use the RFA tag on a player than after the bidding is over you have the choice to take over the winning bid or decline. (in the other league it has blind bidding, which i am not really a fan of) but it would work almost the same.

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I like jt's idea of implementing extensions into the league. It would take a lot of work to get a solid system down but it cud b a great and fun addition

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Yea what JT suggested is really the idea I had in mind when I first brought this up.Something to that affect.About watering down FA it wouldn't be dramatically watered down if done properly.

[White Sox GM (Michael)]

Nice discussion so far, guys. This is exactly what we beed before making decisions.

JT brings up a good proposal, although I do have a problem with it: simply, it is too objective. There are various biases that people have toward certain players (i.e. I think this guy is a future star, he just hasn't shown that). I can imagine the bickering that may go on over extensions.

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There's going to be bickering no matter what happens people complain over change simple as that.

Im not saying copy and paste his idea and run with it lol I'm just saying a Franchise Tag or His idea what I had in mind was closer to his idea.

As far as being too objective I really dont see your point.

If we're using a 3rd party or some sort've set rate to determine a players salary then nothings more fair.As far as what you bring up about this biases that's wonderful for you and the future star but in real life guys don't earn contracts on hopes and prayers that's when their on arbitration when time comes for extensions they earn based on performance now if you want to bring a age factor where if there in a certain age bracket you +/- a certain attached $ value.

All in All there is most deffinately a feaseable way to make this work.