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Post by White Sox GM (Michael) on Apr 21, 2019 11:33:32 GMT -5
There are a few roster rules for 2020 we should discuss.
-MLB is expanding to 26 men on the active roster next season. Should we follow suit?
I think this is a no-brainer yes, small change that we can easily reflect here.
-Modifying the current roster-setting rules. Currently we have the Monday/Thursday system. There are a few things we could do: ---Stay with the current system ---Set rosters Sunday night/Monday morning, no edits besides trades/DL/etc. ---NO roster rule restrictions, but we set a weekly start or innings limit to combat excessive streaming.
Please leave your thoughts below, do not just say that you support something, but explain it. Also no attacks etc. If you have any proposals besides what's above, please detail them below. Thank you.
Remember this is for the 2020 season.
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Post by Cubs GM (Jason) on Apr 21, 2019 11:51:49 GMT -5
Regarding 26 man roster, I think we should follow along with MLB. What's the harm?
As for roster settings, I think it would limit confusion if we moved to set a weekly start or innings limit. Instead of people asking if they can add a player, they would know they just have to follow a set limit on starts or innings.
My second option would be set rosters Sunday night/Monday mornings, while still allowing for edits in case of trades or DL.
Whatever the rules end up being, maybe make a post with the new roster rule that everyone can read and post that they have read and understand the rule. That way, going forward, no one can say they didn't know about it or understand it.
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Post by Astros GM (Max) on Apr 21, 2019 13:31:38 GMT -5
I think a weekly start/innings limit needs a longer incubation period. Some people have rosters built on having a lot of pitchers/starts instead of top tier aces. I'd much prefer rosters to be set before the games start on Monday and only allow edits for trade or DL
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Post by Mariners GM (David) on Apr 21, 2019 13:37:55 GMT -5
To confirm: this is the way it is now and I think they way it's been for a little while.
EDIT: Unless you both are referring to rostering less than 25 guys and then adding a guy(s) to fill the 25 man roster.
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Post by White Sox GM (Michael) on Apr 21, 2019 16:34:57 GMT -5
I think a weekly start/innings limit needs a longer incubation period. Some people have rosters built on having a lot of pitchers/starts instead of top tier aces. I'd much prefer rosters to be set before the games start on Monday and only allow edits for trade or DL For the record a start/innings limit would accommodate something like a 7 man staff on most weeks. It would not really take any adjustment at all beyond starting next season
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Post by Yankees GM (Justin) on Apr 22, 2019 9:44:29 GMT -5
But why? It's not like you can stream SP in this league so that's not really even a problem.
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Post by Astros GM (Max) on Apr 22, 2019 11:02:34 GMT -5
To confirm: this is the way it is now and I think they way it's been for a little while. EDIT: Unless you both are referring to rostering less than 25 guys and then adding a guy(s) to fill the 25 man roster. Right - I want to keep it the way it is
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Post by Astros GM (Max) on Apr 22, 2019 11:04:21 GMT -5
I think a weekly start/innings limit needs a longer incubation period. Some people have rosters built on having a lot of pitchers/starts instead of top tier aces. I'd much prefer rosters to be set before the games start on Monday and only allow edits for trade or DL For the record a start/innings limit would accommodate something like a 7 man staff on most weeks. It would not really take any adjustment at all beyond starting next season Innings limit will hurt if you have RP in your SP spots to get more innings. And more than 7 SP should still be a viable strategy. I think that by doing this, you eliminate an entire viable strategy of owning a lot of cheap pitchers to get a lot of innings and try to win counting stats (and maybe luck into ERA and WHIP)
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Post by White Sox GM (Michael) on Apr 22, 2019 11:28:54 GMT -5
For the record a start/innings limit would accommodate something like a 7 man staff on most weeks. It would not really take any adjustment at all beyond starting next season Innings limit will hurt if you have RP in your SP spots to get more innings. And more than 7 SP should still be a viable strategy. I think that by doing this, you eliminate an entire viable strategy of owning a lot of cheap pitchers to get a lot of innings and try to win counting stats (and maybe luck into ERA and WHIP) You can call it a viable strategy but ultimately it is extremely difficult to own more than 7 healthy SPs that are actually good and are facing not great lineups in a given week. There are maybe like 2 teams in the entire league that satisfy those qualifications? And anything we implement is going to have some sort of drawback. IMO the current system is convoluted and difficult to police. Implementing a start or innings limit allows us to keep some reality of not being able to pitch 14 pitchers in a week and cheaply win 3 categories while also making it easier to maneuver your roster without having to worry about penalties. The current system also restricts how many starts you can have in a week (by restricting the number of SPs) but it’s done in a more confusing/hard to follow way.
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Post by White Sox GM (Michael) on Apr 22, 2019 11:30:01 GMT -5
But why? It's not like you can stream SP in this league so that's not really even a problem. You can hoard SP on your 40 man and swap them out for guys who aren’t pitching on that day, which is essentially the same thing
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Post by Astros GM (Max) on Apr 22, 2019 11:32:01 GMT -5
But now then we shift to a streaming of bats type situation. Will we implement an AB limit for that? The new strategy becomes to own as many bats as possible to fill out your lineup every day since movement is free - but again, in a league with long term contracts it doesn't seem fair to completely change a very effective strategy on a dime like this
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Post by White Sox GM (Michael) on Apr 22, 2019 12:25:04 GMT -5
But now then we shift to a streaming of bats type situation. Will we implement an AB limit for that? The new strategy becomes to own as many bats as possible to fill out your lineup every day since movement is free - but again, in a league with long term contracts it doesn't seem fair to completely change a very effective strategy on a dime like this You know that’s completely different because everyone already basically maxes out their hitters every day. There’s hardly such a thing as streaming hitters because they’re everyday players. And this is not on a dime. I brought up an idea literally a year in advance. It’s not even a big change, it’s simply a restructuring of what’s in place. Even if you own a million SPs right now, you only roster a certain number of them in a week. Justin has more SP depth than probably anyone else, and he leaves a few off his 25-man each week. In the limit system, he would still have to make a choice about whose starts he wants, except he is not restricted to calling up players in a less than 24 hour window each week. Another point of note - pretty sure that if you’re under the limit before Sunday, you can go over the limit on Sunday. This lets you use 2 start in a week SPs that start on, say, Tues and Sun, and use both starts while only being penalized for one start. That’s at least how ESPN works. To clarify, say the limit is 9 starts. You have 8 going into Sunday, you can start 3 guys Sunday which will put you over 9 for the week but Fantrax won’t penalize it since you were under 9 to start Sunday.
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Post by Yankees GM (Justin) on Apr 22, 2019 13:32:53 GMT -5
I don't even go over 9 starts a week, so who is this really penalizing? I don't think anybody has like 11 starts in a week.
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Post by Astros GM (Max) on Apr 22, 2019 17:44:41 GMT -5
But now then we shift to a streaming of bats type situation. Will we implement an AB limit for that? The new strategy becomes to own as many bats as possible to fill out your lineup every day since movement is free - but again, in a league with long term contracts it doesn't seem fair to completely change a very effective strategy on a dime like this You know that’s completely different because everyone already basically maxes out their hitters every day. There’s hardly such a thing as streaming hitters because they’re everyday players. And this is not on a dime. I brought up an idea literally a year in advance. It’s not even a big change, it’s simply a restructuring of what’s in place. Even if you own a million SPs right now, you only roster a certain number of them in a week. Justin has more SP depth than probably anyone else, and he leaves a few off his 25-man each week. In the limit system, he would still have to make a choice about whose starts he wants, except he is not restricted to calling up players in a less than 24 hour window each week. Another point of note - pretty sure that if you’re under the limit before Sunday, you can go over the limit on Sunday. This lets you use 2 start in a week SPs that start on, say, Tues and Sun, and use both starts while only being penalized for one start. That’s at least how ESPN works. To clarify, say the limit is 9 starts. You have 8 going into Sunday, you can start 3 guys Sunday which will put you over 9 for the week but Fantrax won’t penalize it since you were under 9 to start Sunday. That's a setting you can choose - not sure it's an absolute Also, how will we deal with openers? That counts as a start, but it really shouldn't. In essence, openers become useless and again people have made moves to acquire these players and then will be told they are useless
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Post by White Sox GM (Michael) on Apr 22, 2019 17:58:39 GMT -5
You know that’s completely different because everyone already basically maxes out their hitters every day. There’s hardly such a thing as streaming hitters because they’re everyday players. And this is not on a dime. I brought up an idea literally a year in advance. It’s not even a big change, it’s simply a restructuring of what’s in place. Even if you own a million SPs right now, you only roster a certain number of them in a week. Justin has more SP depth than probably anyone else, and he leaves a few off his 25-man each week. In the limit system, he would still have to make a choice about whose starts he wants, except he is not restricted to calling up players in a less than 24 hour window each week. Another point of note - pretty sure that if you’re under the limit before Sunday, you can go over the limit on Sunday. This lets you use 2 start in a week SPs that start on, say, Tues and Sun, and use both starts while only being penalized for one start. That’s at least how ESPN works. To clarify, say the limit is 9 starts. You have 8 going into Sunday, you can start 3 guys Sunday which will put you over 9 for the week but Fantrax won’t penalize it since you were under 9 to start Sunday. That's a setting you can choose - not sure it's an absolute Also, how will we deal with openers? That counts as a start, but it really shouldn't. In essence, openers become useless and again people have made moves to acquire these players and then will be told they are useless If we do a start limit they become more useful since they don't use a start up. Or we do innings limit. Edit - well idk whether you mean the opener or the longman guy
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Post by White Sox GM (Michael) on Apr 22, 2019 18:02:47 GMT -5
I don't even go over 9 starts a week, so who is this really penalizing? I don't think anybody has like 11 starts in a week. Exactly. It's not supposed to penalize. It's meant to replace the current, messy system.
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Post by PhilliesGM (Kory) on Apr 22, 2019 18:12:03 GMT -5
2020 new rules: you’re only allowed 75 ABs, 3 starts, 3 RP appearances, 1 speedster, all to even out the playing field.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:46:37 GMT -5
I select Foghorn Leghorn #1
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Post by Mets GM (Jack) on Apr 22, 2019 19:13:53 GMT -5
Why don't we just go with 13 Bats and 13 Pitchers, Can't do more on either side, then you can't stack one side.
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Post by Jays GM (Sanders) on Apr 22, 2019 20:31:08 GMT -5
I select Foghorn Leghorn #1 You sure you dont want Pepe Le Pew for how much casino corp stinks?
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